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Finding an alternative name for "cuntboy"

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blindVigil said:

Does that mean we can reverse otoko no ko back to trap

You jest, but we do need to make some change for consistency's sake if nothing else. We're still using reverse trap despite the fact we outright admit in the otoko no ko wiki that the controversy around trap is one of the reasons we made the alias in the first place. We should either reverse the alias (which is probably a no-go) or create an alias for reverse trap.

If we alias reverse trap, I think osunna no ko (雄んなの子) would be the best fit for this since it is visually similar to otoko no ko and is already used as a Pixiv tag.

I realize the whole "trap" debate is not black and white, so I'll refrain from discussing my position on it here, but I do think it makes some sense from a pragmatic standpoint for general anime communities to ban "trap" since it seems to cause so many arguments. However, I don't think terms like cuntboy would get the same amount of flak. A handful of artists may have a problem with it, but if it's not a highly controversial term and replacing it would negatively affect the user experience overall, it's not really a good reason to stop using it. It's like banning "stupid" because a couple people think it's an ableist slur (I am not making this up).

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viliml

Blank_User said:

You jest, but we do need to make some change for consistency's sake if nothing else. We're still using reverse trap despite the fact we outright admit in the otoko no ko wiki that the controversy around trap is one of the reasons we made the alias in the first place. We should either reverse the alias (which is probably a no-go) or create an alias for reverse trap.

If we alias reverse trap, I think osunna no ko (雄んなの子) would be the best fit for this since it is visually similar to otoko no ko and is already used as a Pixiv tag.

I realize the whole "trap" debate is not black and white, so I'll refrain from discussing my position on it here, but I do think it makes some sense from a pragmatic standpoint for general anime communities to ban "trap" since it seems to cause so many arguments. However, I don't think terms like cuntboy would get the same amount of flak. A handful of artists may have a problem with it, but if it's not a highly controversial term and replacing it would negatively affect the user experience overall, it's not really a good reason to stop using it. It's like banning "stupid" because a couple people think it's an ableist slur (I am not making this up).

雄んなの子 is read "onna no ko", it's the same kind of schtick as 男の娘

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blindVigil

Blank_User said:

We're still using reverse trap despite the fact we outright admit in the otoko no ko wiki that the controversy around trap is one of the reasons we made the alias in the first place.

Well, not anymore.

To be honest, I don't really understand why we stuck with otoko no ko all these years. The original change was pushed through by a single biased admin after minimal discussion (very typical of early danbooru) who then dropped entirely from the discussion while persistent pushback was voiced for half a year. We never did anything about reverse trap, and its wiki even still refers to the other tag as trap. For all the talk of ambiguity and offensiveness, trap, unqualified, is still aliased to it, so it must not be causing that many problems.

It really does come across as a "problem" that wasn't really that much of a problem that we didn't actually care all that much about resolving properly, because absolutely no one was actually complaining about it. Just a couple of people said, "It's offensive" and then did the bare minimum to change something few people were actually bothered by.

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feline lump

otoko no ko is now recognizable enough in English-speaking spaces to make it into the localized title of an anime, but if we really wanted to choose the most widely used term possible, it'd be "femboy".

Changing reverse trap for consistency reasons has been brought up before, but it never happened for a pretty simple reason: no one could actually agree on what this trope should be called other than /a/ users from almost 20 years ago. 雄んなの子 has just 314 posts on Pixiv compared to over 100,000 in 男の娘, and there doesn't seem to be any concrete push from the English side, either.

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Blank User

blindVigil said:

Well, not anymore.

That takes care of the main issue I had with the tags. The tag names are still inconsistent, but at least we're not being hypocritical about it.

For all the talk of ambiguity and offensiveness, trap, unqualified, is still aliased to it, so it must not be causing that many problems.

The alias was (and still is) necessary to maintain searchability for those characters since a lot of people still use the term. I'm sure this was recognized even back when the alias was first made. It obfuscates the term, so we can still use it without as much attention being drawn to it.

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blindVigil

Blank_User said:

That takes care of the main issue I had with the tags. The tag names are still inconsistent, but at least we're not being hypocritical about it.

The alias was (and still is) necessary to maintain searchability for those characters since a lot of people still use the term. I'm sure this was recognized even back when the alias was first made. It obfuscates the term, so we can still use it without as much attention being drawn to it.

I mean "trap" is an ambiguous term, which was one of the reasons cited in favor of changing it. In any other situation we wouldn't leave an unqualified, ambiguous term aliased, it would be deprecated. A qualified term would be used for the alias instead.

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nonamethanks

Everyone knows what a reverse trap is. You don't open the tag expecting to see someone capturing a mousetrap. Why change it at all? Just leave it, there's no need to ruin everyone's day just to appease some random imaginary strawman who would have never searched for those posts in the first place.

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