western/western style/western copyright tag

there should be some sort of tag, maybe a meta tag, for western style that works similar to the categories on sadpanda. i dont want to see anything from a western artist or in a western art style or from a western copyright, and the site has gotten progressively more full of those things over the years in my experience. to take it a step further i personally would like a tag that functionally could filter everything that is not a jp source. but i think something that works like the first example makes a lot of sense for this site.

While I'd like something like this, I suspect it's not going to happen because of the logistical side of implementing it. For example: we would need to make thousands of BURs for every western copyright on the site in order to implicate them to a western_copyright tag, and also take on the burden of continuing to do this for future copyrights. We haven't created character -> copyright implications for every character for similar reasons; not because it doesn't make sense, but because with a site so old it would involve going through too much of a backlog to be practical.

Obst said:

While I'd like something like this, I suspect it's not going to happen because of the logistical side of implementing it. For example: we would need to make thousands of BURs for every western copyright on the site in order to implicate them to a western_copyright tag, and also take on the burden of continuing to do this for future copyrights. We haven't created character -> copyright implications for every character for similar reasons; not because it doesn't make sense, but because with a site so old it would involve going through too much of a backlog to be practical.

We also just outright can't implicate them. BURs don't allow cross category implications. Even if we could, all it takes is a character appearing in another copyright and suddenly that implication doesn't work. For the same reasons, copyrights can't implicate a meta tag.

i cant really comment on the logistics of how everything would work since im just a regular user and dont really understand how half the "back end" features of the site work. but i think with something like this at least my expectation isnt that the entire backlog would get sorted through overnight or even at all but over time at the natural rate they would get tagged normally. its just something that has slowly been eating at the site experience for me personally over the years and there is not really a better alternative than this site anywhere else.

Somewhat related topics from the past: topic #20571 and topic #16641

Sauros said:

to take it a step further i personally would like a tag that functionally could filter everything that is not a jp source.

Just to be sure, you realize Japanese artists aren't the only people that use sites like Pixiv? And Japanese people do use Twitter, which I wouldn't consider a Japanese source. Unless you mean the artist being the source, in which case, that would never be feasible. We would never be able to, and aren't interested in trying to, track every single artist's nationality.

Sauros said:

i cant really comment on the logistics of how everything would work since im just a regular user and dont really understand how half the "back end" features of the site work. but i think with something like this at least my expectation isnt that the entire backlog would get sorted through overnight or even at all but over time at the natural rate they would get tagged normally. its just something that has slowly been eating at the site experience for me personally over the years and there is not really a better alternative than this site anywhere else.

To be perfectly frank, this is just never going to happen. Even without getting into the feasibility of determining every artist to be western or not, as well as the complications of JP artists using western styles or drawing western IPs, this task would just never get done, the workload is too much. It would never be more than a pipe dream.

blindVigil said:

Just to be sure, you realize Japanese artists aren't the only people that use sites like Pixiv? And Japanese people do use Twitter, which I wouldn't consider a Japanese source. Unless you mean the artist being the source, in which case, that would never be feasible. We would never be able to, and aren't interested in trying to, track every single artist's nationality.

believe me i know, thats why its full of dogshit and since they limit you to 500 mutes even while giving them over 5k yen a year, its unbearable. not to mention no matter what you mute it doesnt matter since nothing is tagged like it should be, which is what this site does perfectly. i dont really care what is or isnt counted as this or that im just im sick of seeing slop everywhere. twitter ironically is probably the best in this regard, how ever the algorithm works, i see way less garbage on there but probably also miss a lot of good stuff too given the nature of the site, not to mention actually being able to find it later.

Sauros said:

believe me i know, thats why its full of dogshit and since they limit you to 500 mutes even while giving them over 5k yen a year, its unbearable. not to mention no matter what you mute it doesnt matter since nothing is tagged like it should be, which is what this site does perfectly. i dont really care what is or isnt counted as this or that im just im sick of seeing slop everywhere. twitter ironically is probably the best in this regard, how ever the algorithm works, i see way less garbage on there but probably also miss a lot of good stuff too given the nature of the site, not to mention actually being able to find it later.

Your solution here is to utilize the blacklist. You're still going to get western artist drawing stuff like Love Live! (post #7376253), but you can blacklist major western copyright group tags like Marvel, Nickelodeon, or anything that shows up too much on the home page. I'd also suggest blacklisting toon_(style)

The idea of implying specific copyrights to a western meta tag is infeasible and doesn't even properly filter for "Westerness" since Japanese artists are just as likely to draw art of foreign series post #1822259

Since travelling back in time and convincing the majority of the userbase that focus, purpose, and cohesiveness are important for an art gallery and its community is not yet possible, your only option is to keep stacking artists and copyrights in your blacklist.

Hereinafter said:

Since travelling back in time and convincing the majority of the userbase that focus, purpose, and cohesiveness are important for an art gallery and its community is not yet possible, your only option is to keep stacking artists and copyrights in your blacklist.

It wouldn't matter, anyway. A western style tag would be impossible to implement, it's already been discussed multiple times since the site was created, and I remember years ago an admin saying artist entries shouldn't even include personal information like nationality, because it just encourages people being really weird and our focus should be on the art not the artist, so we shouldn't be caring where they're from. That rules out western artist. It would just end up giving people more fuel to be racist and creepy, and be really annoying to upkeep. Western copyright is the only one with any chance of existing, and there's probably reasons why it wouldn't work, too.

I suggest blacklisting major uploaders as well.

blindVigil said:

I remember years ago an admin saying artist entries shouldn't even include personal information like nationality, because it just encourages people being really weird and our focus should be on the art not the artist, so we shouldn't be caring where they're from.

We've also received takedown requests in the past because of personal info in our artist entries, so that kind of stuff (sex/nationality/personally identifiable info) should absolutely be removed on sight.

nonamethanks said:

We've also received takedown requests in the past because of personal info in our artist entries, so that kind of stuff (sex/nationality/personally identifiable info) should absolutely be removed on sight.

Is this policy (i.e. no personal info in the wiki) one that should be applied to all artist pages without exception? I did a quick check, and had no trouble finding pages that included the artist's sex or nationality, for example. Should any personal info be purged from the page history, too? (Who can do that, anyway?) Information about things they've done work for is still OK, right?

Edit: It doesn't seem unreasonable to exempt obvious public figures (e.g. miyazaki_hayao). How about VTubers and other internet personalities?

I'm talking about wikis that are just "female chinese artist" or "female artist from bolivia" or similar. I always delete them whenever I come across them. It's one thing if it's a public figure, but we really should not have stuff like that for random artists who might not even be aware of what danbooru is. That's just asking for a DMCA.

Thanks, then I think I understand what the idea is.

As other users have suggested, your best bet to curate the site to not have ANY western stuff while browsing is to blacklist any related tags. There's no limit to blacklist lines iirc so just start with toon (style) and western comics (style) (maybe realistic and 3d too if you don't care for those), and then add any artist or copyright you come across that you don't want to see again.

Blacklisting specific source sites (which can be searched by source:*deviantart* for example) can't be done due to backend limitations, and making a meta tag for the source site would be redundant with the source information.