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岩戸鈴芽 said:
If you hadn't said that's what it looks like to you I wouldn't have seen it as that, so I'm also unsure about the application of imminent suicide. As for that tag, in most cases it should probably make something >S, barring comedic circumstances etc. like you mentioned.
Sessyoin_Kiara said:
I'd tag that G without a second thought.
Alrighty then, just needed a second opinion. Thanks!
I'm probably stretching but this does look faintly cameltoe/Q to me.
c_spl said:
I'm probably stretching but this does look faintly cameltoe/Q to me.
howto:rate specifically lists subtle cameltoe under S, which this definitely falls under.
岩戸鈴芽 said:
howto:rate specifically lists subtle cameltoe under S, which this definitely falls under.
ah I forgot, ty
post #7077708 (Yaoi warning)
Is this S or Q?
post #7082062
post #7082145
post #7082163
post #7082187
Given a previous Discord discussion about cleavage and G/S ratings here and here, I think these posts may qualify for G as they don't seem to focus on the characters in a sexual manner and the clothes aren't particularly revealing (at least not in a fetishistic way). I would have rated these posts as S without question in the past and am still adjusting to NNT's clarification of the guidelines. Is there anything in these posts that would disqualify any of them for G despite this?
I'm still erring on the side of caution with my own uploads, so I rated them all S for now.
Edit: Adding the example posts from the Discord discussion for convenience.
post #5343100 (rated G)
post #6802013 (rated S)
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Blank_User said:
post #7082062
post #7082145
post #7082163
post #7082187Given a previous Discord discussion about cleavage and G/S ratings here and here, I think these posts may qualify for G as they don't seem to focus on the characters in a sexual manner and the clothes aren't particularly revealing (at least not in a fetishistic way). I would have rated these posts as S without question in the past and am still adjusting to NNT's clarification of the guidelines. Is there anything in these posts that would disqualify any of them for G despite this?
I'm still erring on the side of caution with my own uploads, so I rated them all S for now.
Edit: Adding the example posts from the Discord discussion for convenience.
post #5343100 (rated G)
post #6802013 (rated S)
To me that's less clarification and more complete contradiction with how admins have been telling us to rate pictures for the last several months.
I don't see the contradiction. "Cleavage in 99% of cases should be S" means exactly that. 1% is not 0%.
All of those posts have different contexts, all save for post #5343100 are girls in skimpy clothes, that one is a completely different kind of post. evazion has rated plenty of these as G before: post #3875988, post #5533178, post #4723559 are some examples.
In any case, if you're so cumbrained that you cannot tell apart adult women in normal clothes from half naked kids, or if you're just not sure, fall back on S as usual and no harm will be done.
nonamethanks said:
I don't see the contradiction. "Cleavage in 99% of cases should be S" means exactly that. 1% is not 0%.
All of those posts have different contexts, all save for post #5343100 are girls in skimpy clothes, that one is a completely different kind of post. evazion has rated plenty of these as G before: post #3875988, post #5533178, post #4723559 are some examples.
In any case, if you're so cumbrained that you cannot tell apart adult women in normal clothes from half naked kids, or if you're just not sure, fall back on S as usual and no harm will be done.
That last sentence doesn't feel like it needed to be worded like that, but leaving that aside, I have no problems rating any of those posts as G, and of the original six linked, post #5343100 is the only one I wouldn't rate S.
It's just that the ratings have been extremely strict on this for a while, with insistence on rating some "adult women in normal clothes" as S just because one character's breasts were a little big, or her shoulders were showing, or some other minute, inoffensive thing in an otherwise perfectly non-sexual image, even though those things weren't focused on or particularly prominent within the composition.
blindVigil said:
That last sentence doesn't feel like it needed to be worded like that, but leaving that aside, I have no problems rating any of those posts as G, and of the original six linked, post #5343100 is the only one I wouldn't rate S.
You have no idea how frustrating it is to have every single sentence in every single rule nitpicked and rule-lawyered to the point where the result makes no sense anymore.
The reason for this split, at the end of the day, no matter how we want to embellish it, was to appease payment processors, and remove anything that could be interpreted as porn or porn-adjacent or remotely problematic from safebooru. But a lot of our users are just uncontrollably autistic about these things, constantly laser-focused on irrelevant background details nobody cares about, so we have to phrase the rules so that they can be followed like a checklist and can leave no doubt or way to rule lawyer some nonsense out of nowhere, and even then somehow we end up with situations like these with absurd conclusions nobody would ever reach.
This is the exact same reason why we had to split S, people took "exposed nipples or genitals" from Q and decided it meant that S could have any kind of covered nipple or wet cameltoe no matter how blatant as long as it was not exposed. Now we say that breasts are S, and people are taking this to mean that posts with women are automatically S (actual discussions by actual builders on discord).
It's just that the ratings have been extremely strict on this for a while, with insistence on rating some "adult women in normal clothes" as S just because one character's breasts were a little big, or her shoulders were showing, or some other minute, inoffensive thing in an otherwise perfectly non-sexual image, even though those things weren't focused on or particularly prominent within the composition.
They are strict to avoid falling into the usual slippery slope of tagging cameltoes or covered nipples as G because they're "barely there". I invite you to reread forum #215101. The most important part of this post is this:
The exceptions would be when it's barely visible and in a context with zero fanservice or sex appeal. This is rare because anime is filled with fanservice and sex appeal. Frankly I don't trust most users to be a good judge of this, since most users here are so desensitized to sexiness in anime they don't recognize it when they see it. That's why the default assumption should be that it's rated S.
We have never said breasts or cleavage are always S, it's just that we cannot trust our users with being able to tell whether something is sexual, so we just say to fall back to S in all but the most safe for work cases, and we'll fix the rest ourselves.
"If you're not sure, tag it S" is not a statement on the ratings themselves. It's better for a post to be on S than on G not because of rating accuracy, but because it would cause less legal problems for the site. If you're not sure, just leave a post on S unless evazion or I changed it and it's not an obvious mistake.
When you want to change the rating of a "borderline" post to G, the correct way to do this is not to go through the rating guidelines like a mindless robot and check boxes until you reach the end. You should instead be asking yourself: "would someone, who works for a payment processor with a strict no-porn policy and strict western values and who has the power to ban danbooru from their payment processor, see this post and decide it's porn, problematic, controversial, or any cause for concern?" This is why drugs, profanity and extreme violence are not G. This is why two male wrestlers in front of each other while shirtless are G, unless the picture is bara or has any hint of fetishism.
I hope you can see why we can't just stick this sentence in the rating guidelines: anime porn addicts are not known for their common sense. I've seen people genuinely confused why some half naked Astolfoesque femboy was S while shirtless Goku was G. If someone is confused about something like this, then there's nothing we can do to help them understand our ratings, they're already too far gone.
I trust however that someone who has gone through tens of thousands of reratings should be able to appreciate the nuances of such a thought process, and be able to rate things based not on technicalities, but on what makes sense for the health of the site.
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Blank_User said:
post #7082062
post #7082145
post #7082163
post #7082187Given a previous Discord discussion about cleavage and G/S ratings here and here, I think these posts may qualify for G as they don't seem to focus on the characters in a sexual manner and the clothes aren't particularly revealing (at least not in a fetishistic way). I would have rated these posts as S without question in the past and am still adjusting to NNT's clarification of the guidelines. Is there anything in these posts that would disqualify any of them for G despite this?
I'm still erring on the side of caution with my own uploads, so I rated them all S for now.
Edit: Adding the example posts from the Discord discussion for convenience.
post #5343100 (rated G)
post #6802013 (rated S)
Echoeing what's been said already, I would've rated these S too, for reasons such as how revealing the clothes are and the emphasis on the breasts.
岩戸鈴芽 said:
Echoeing what's been said already, I would've rated these S too, for reasons such as how revealing the clothes are and the emphasis on the breasts.
I don't see any particular emphasis on the breasts save for some slight details (which admittedly don't help the case for a G rating), but the clothes are more revealing than contemporary clothes. If it weren't for that, it would definitely be G. I felt like those might be close to the border and was trying to get a sense of where it actually was, but I did have a feeling they probably wouldn't pass.
I assumed normal strapless dresses (such as in formal wear) showing little to no cleavage could also fall into G as long as there was no particular emphasis on the shoulders, collarbone, or any other sensitive areas, but I want to reevaluate a couple posts given the feedback of the previous four.
post #7052830 (currently G)
Dress covers top of breasts, bare shoulders, front of body mostly covered by bouquet, appears teenage or older.
post #7052858 (was G, but I rerated to S for now)
Dress has same coverage except there is no bow on the choker, bare shoulders and collarbone are more visible, slight cleavage shadow, looks a bit younger than the previous girl.
I would think that most payment processors (except maybe the really conservative ones) would not have a problem with these kind of dresses as they are less likely to be seen as sexualized than the sleeveless crop tops in the previous four posts despite being almost as revealing. I can see some slight details in the second post that might push it more towards S overall, so I'm more confident in the first post.
Blank_User said:
...
I assumed normal strapless dresses (such as in formal wear) showing little to no cleavage could also fall into G as long as there was no particular emphasis on the shoulders, collarbone, or any other sensitive areas, ...
I think this does sum it up quite well, but post #7082062, post #7082145 and post #7082187 all are very low strapless dresses (and thus expose the breasts quite a lot), and the clothing follows the shape of the breasts a lot, just like post #7082163. post #7052830 on the other hand barely shows any cleavage at all, and all but hides the shape of the breasts, and the emphasis in post #7052858 isn't nearly as heavy as in the first 4 posts (helped by the dress being higher up in general).
岩戸鈴芽 said:
I think this does sum it up quite well, but post #7082062, post #7082145 and post #7082187 all are very low strapless dresses (and thus expose the breasts quite a lot), and the clothing follows the shape of the breasts a lot, just like post #7082163. post #7052830 on the other hand barely shows any cleavage at all, and all but hides the shape of the breasts, and the emphasis in post #7052858 isn't nearly as heavy as in the first 4 posts (helped by the dress being higher up in general).
Got it. I guess it's fine to leave post #7052858 as G, then. Anything more would probably make it S, so I'll leave it alone if it gets changed back. In the meantime, I'll stick with my original rating strategy since it seems to be the correct approach according to what was described above.
Is this S or Q?
Maiden_in_Orange said:
Is this S or Q?
Pretty sure grabbing another person's ass counts as "mild sexual contact" and falls under Q.
