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Ratings check thread

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blindVigil

tapnek said:

Yeah, his pants are pulled down right to the base of penis without actually showing the any of his penis.

I don't think we would rate a girl Q for dressing like that, so I don't see why we would for a guy. If you can't actually see any of his penis, not even a bulge, how is that Q?

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Blank User

post #7286940
Okay, what is going on with this post? It's been given every possible rating at some point, including G. This seems like a clear case for Q given that the hands are directly on top of another person's breasts. The only other rating you could make an argument for is S, but I don't think it's a good idea to be rating posts slightly above the borderline as S, especially when grabbing another's breast is misrated so often.

Some key points:

  • The hands are, again, directly on top of the breasts, not merely close or ambiguously touching (post #6940793).
  • The grab cannot be argued to be for a non-sexual purpose such as supporting from below (post #7085571) or clinging (post #7109456).
  • I am not 100% certain S is appropriate for the above example posts even with these caveats.
  • We do not have a clause in howto:rate stating that milder cases can be rated lower like we do for cameltoe or covered nipples.
  • For borderline cases, we should favor the higher rating unless there's a very good reason not to.
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user 893647

Blank_User said:

post #7286940
Okay, what is going on with this post? It's been given every possible rating at some point, including G. This seems like a clear case for Q given that the hands are directly on top of another person's breasts. The only other rating you could make an argument for is S, but I don't think it's a good idea to be rating posts slightly above the borderline as S, especially when grabbing another's breast is misrated so often.

Some key points:

  • The hands are, again, directly on top of the breasts, not merely close or ambiguously touching (post #6940793).
  • The grab cannot be argued to be for a non-sexual purpose such as supporting from below (post #7085571) or clinging (post #7109456).
  • I am not 100% certain S is appropriate for the above example posts even with these caveats.
  • We do not have a clause in howto:rate stating that milder cases can be rated lower like we do for cameltoe or covered nipples.
  • For borderline cases, we should favor the higher rating unless there's a very good reason not to.

Imo S.

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岩戸鈴芽

Blank_User said:

post #7286940
Okay, what is going on with this post? It's been given every possible rating at some point, including G. This seems like a clear case for Q given that the hands are directly on top of another person's breasts. The only other rating you could make an argument for is S, but I don't think it's a good idea to be rating posts slightly above the borderline as S, especially when grabbing another's breast is misrated so often.

Some key points:

  • The hands are, again, directly on top of the breasts, not merely close or ambiguously touching (post #6940793).
  • The grab cannot be argued to be for a non-sexual purpose such as supporting from below (post #7085571) or clinging (post #7109456).
  • I am not 100% certain S is appropriate for the above example posts even with these caveats.
  • We do not have a clause in howto:rate stating that milder cases can be rated lower like we do for cameltoe or covered nipples.
  • For borderline cases, we should favor the higher rating unless there's a very good reason not to.

Like nanashi3 said, they're just resting, there's no actual grabbing going on. Us not having a tag for resting does not mean it should all be Q. If post #6940793 is S then rating post #7286940 as Q is just ridiculous when the former is clearly way more sexual (though neither are "next image in the set is them fucking"-kind of sexual). Yes, I didn't address the specific wording and points here, because it shouldn't be neccessary when common sense already reaches a reasonable conclusion, rule lawyering is not productive.

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Blank User

岩戸鈴芽 said:

Like nanashi3 said, they're just resting, there's no actual grabbing going on.

The actual guideline states "mild sexual contact," with grabbing another's breast as just an example. A resting hand can still count as mild sexual contact.

岩戸鈴芽 said:

Us not having a tag for resting does not mean it should all be Q.

I never made that argument, and we do have a tag for things like this: hand on another's chest.

岩戸鈴芽 said:

If post #6940793 is S then rating post #7286940 as Q is just ridiculous when the former is clearly way more sexual (though neither are "next image in the set is them fucking"-kind of sexual).

I don't think the difference is all that much, but I agree there are more sexual elements overall in the former. However, I did say I wasn't certain whether that post should be S. There are a lot of posts that seem like they should have a lower rating because of the overall presentation, but have a single factor that forces it to have a higher rating. For example, if this were about nipples instead, there would be no debate.

There are less suggestive examples of this. I just chose from the most recent posts because it was more convenient.

岩戸鈴芽 said:

Yes, I didn't address the specific wording and points here, because it shouldn't be neccessary when common sense already reaches a reasonable conclusion, rule lawyering is not productive.

That's the thing, there is no "common sense." The users come from various cultures and backgrounds, which will inevitably influence how they interpret the guidelines. That's one of the consequences of keeping the guidelines vague we just have to accept. If common sense were that easy to rely on, we wouldn't need this thread in the first place. That's why it's helpful to provide explanations justifying a rating; it gives other users a better idea of how to rate posts overall. It should not be mistaken for rules lawyering or being absolutist. It's no different than how you and nanashi3 argue that the hands are not actually grabbing the breasts as a reason for rating the post S.

I'm not against these posts being rated S on principle or anything. I understand the argument for post #7286940 being S despite it still being an example of mild sexual contact. I'm just saying it isn't unreasonable for someone to come to the opposite conclusion.

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blindVigil

I'm sure NNT and evazion have both said this dozens of times by now, but I'll parrot them one more time:

The Ratings Guidelines are, to nobody's surprise, guidelines, not rules. They're not meant to be an ironclad, inflexible checklist of things to tick off to categorize posts. They should be interpreted with some degree of nuance. When it lists grabbing another's breast under "mild sexual contact" it should be taken to clearly mean "with obvious sexual intent", not "in a display of light romantic contact you would see on a poster at a movie theater for a Family Friendly romcom that isn't even allowed to swear."

The idea of being relatively strict on ratings is to prevent the constant degradation of our ratings until everything is S even when it would be utterly insane to rate something that low. It does not mean that something is Q just because a tag happens to be mentioned under the "Questionable" section of the guidelines. Not everything needs extra clauses describing scenarios where something doesn't have to be set to the max applicable rating, you should be able to look at the images yourself and say, "I know what the guidelines say, but this is so innocent it's almost G, it would be weird seeing this in Q next to something like this, so it probably fits best in S." We're allowed to use nuance.

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